Why are Prescription Medications So Expensive?

Dr. Salvatore Georgianni tells us why on Life’s about Living.


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I’m Dr Page. Welcome back to life’s about living. I have with me Sal Georgianni. We’ve had Dr. Sal on some other episodes. He has been a pharmacologist and a pharmacist for 40 years. I’ve talked Dr Sal and found out something very interesting. You know I trained down in Houston uh with Dr. Debakey and Dr. Cooley – and we always use this thing called cardioplegia. It was a solution with ice that we put in around the heart to stop the heart, so that we could sew the blood vessel. Dr Sal, interestingly, is one of the guys who helped formulate cardioplegia. Dr Sal is very involved in men’s, health. He’s a board member of men’s health network. He’s here to talk with us a little bit about that today, but we’re gonna talk first, about about vaccines. Dr Sal, how are you today, i am doing splendidly well awesome. It’s great it’s great. To have you on the show, and i didn’t realize that you had made so many contributions to medicine. When you’re up there in New York, it’s kind of interesting for a pharmacologist to get into into heart surgery. We’re glad to have you. Dr. Sal: Well, it was a. It was a thrilling experience. It was very, it was the early days when people were trying lots of different techniques out back in the early 70s mid 70s, and I learned a lot and I took care of some great great patients, and it was just a wonderful way to contribute to the The knowledge base of these life-saving procedures – and you know it used to be that we bring people in and they put these big old chest things in their sternum to hold them together in the wires, and we’d, keep them in the hospital for A couple weeks, post-surgery. Now t blows my mind that there are little you know openings and small incisions. You know yeah doing them with a robot and what you know used to like the heart lung machine that we used to use. You know they have uh. You know we used to have people put on these lvads when we couldn’t get our hearts to go, and now they have these little things. You know the size of my pinky they put in through a little vein to use, so it’s, amazing the technology and how things have changed. You know one of the things that we were going to talk about today and I guess we’ll go right into this. Is the globalization of administration of medications? Tell me a little bit about international price indexing and how does that affect the everyday person? Well, there are concerns and men’s. Health network shares the concerns about the out-of-pocket costs for medicines. We know very well from a lot of studies, and it just makes good old common sense that the more people will have to pay out of pocket for medicines yep the lower the compliance, people tend to get them less regularly, and a lot of people are strapped For cash, and especially now with coded uh until the economy comes back in a couple of years. We we understand that, so there have been various approaches to looking at managing the prices of medications, particularly the out-of-pocket costs way back when i was a student at an apprentice pharmacist, i have an apprentice license sitting somewhere uh. There were no pharmacy benefit management companies, people paid out of pocket or they were reimbursed, and then they became reimbursed by insurance companies and then along came these other entities along in the early 70s. I’d, say that said: look we’re, going to make everything simpler for everybody. We will you pay us a premium and we will manage the prescription drug benefit and we’ll. Take care of all the payments for prescription drugs and everybody in my profession in medicine, said this is great. They’ll, simplify everything, but what we forgot was that these companies were there to make a dollar and they’re. Tightening the news on us all the time yeah it’s, okay, uh, but if you fast forward, you know 60 years now or 50 years from when these entities first started taking home. The systems become so byzantine so mysterious that the way that drug prices are are set. It’s. Almost like a big old black box. You can’t break into yeah. The other thing that’s happened is along the way these pbm companies pharmacy benefit management. Companies have convinced everybody that if we uh, if you drug company x y z, uh, do volume, we’ll, do volume purchasing from you. You have to give us rebates because we can drive your volume and then we’ll. Take these rebates and we’ll, pass them along to the consumer to reduce their out-of-pocket costs well, somewhere along the line drums that didn’t happen. The companies, the pbm companies, kept two-thirds of the rebate money and then gave back one-third of the rebate money. So, yes, pharmaceutical drug companies did have to raise their prices to meet inflation and other regulatory challenges, but pbms also took a huge, huge slice of that money and use that now they are such a lucrative business instead of the pbms being an additive service to health Insurance companies, the pbms, are buying health insurance companies so how they bought aetna and then united healthcare bought one, and only so. You’re, basically paying yourself to run a prescription drug benefit wow. That’s, pretty amazing. He’s, pretty sad, you know, and they’re, not passing those they’re, not passing those along to the you know to the patient. You know, which is really sad. Um, so tell me a little bit about what do you think the answer for that i mean um like, for example, antibiotics and other things, third party paper: what’s? The answer right now for prescription drugs? Well, the the key here is that the system is byzantine, no one can figure out just what the real price of the drug is and what the real rebate section is and where the money is going and everybody knows the willy sutton mentality follow the money uh. So well, i guess the same thing with medicine i mean you can’t, go to the hospital and get a transparent price for a procedure anymore, and the trump administration tried to do that and i don’t think it was very Successful uh what has been proposed by pelosi and some in congress and uh, it was actually uh signed as an executive order by trump is to create a global market basket of drug products. So they would sample the prices of essential medicines from various countries throughout the world and say: look the united states should never be charged more and medicare is the driver. Here then you’re charging. Anybody else in uh, in brazil or ireland or china or uh the ukraine uh, and they’re, going to create a international price index so and that ostensibly, is to bring the price of drugs down. But unfortunately, that’s been tried in other industries. It’s, never worked it’s brought things down for a very small amount of time, but then it never really gets once again transmitted to the out-of-pocket cost to the consumer. We’ve studied this. We’ve, looked at it and we believe the only thing that really works is good, broad, negotiating with transparent terms of volume purchasing. We do not favor rebates uh. We feel that it should be a straight transaction uh that would cut out an awful lot of administrative fees uh, and we think that that is the best approach to managing drug crisis and keeping them where they are. It’s, a big problem. It’s, a big problem, a big problem with medicare. You know, i mean medicare and prescription drugs because i mean you know, probably every patient. I see i mean especially the elderly patients. They may have 10 to 15 medications and uh. You know the price is just it’s, just crazy. So, like a lot of things in our health care system, it just doesn’t make sense. Simple solutions. Don’t seem to make sense. Yeah hey, listen, doctors! I want to change gears because everybody has got so many questions about the code, vaccine and uh. You know we’ve had some people that have you know, had the copper vaccine and had some allergic reactions, and i want you to tell us what you know about that. Well, they allergic reactions can have can happen with every vaccine yeah. I was watching television and there were some ads on there for vaccines, hpv vaccine and they warned quite clearly about allergies, so uh. This is not something that’s, unique to the code vaccines. They are monitoring this very carefully, because every incident of allergic reaction gets reported back yeah. My understanding is that the number uh first of all we’ve, had up until yesterday. I guess we ‘ Ve had something like 18.5 million doses in the u.s alone, there’s, only been one person who ‘ S died after getting the vaccine and they don’t know what that death was due to we’ve. Had a number of people who – and it could have been causality could have been an underlying medical condition right you just don’t know uh. There have been a number of people who’ve had allergic reactions, uh, not life-threatening, but in an abundance of can caution what the food and drug administration and anybody who administers the vaccines, whether it’s, going to be given in a Local pharmacy, or in a hospital or your health department, they have treatments there to just reverse the allergic reaction. Just epinephrine and just epipen didn’t. It repent exactly. There was a well uh publicized case of an anesthesiologist who said he had a reaction and then to the vaccine and then when they dug a little deeper, he said the guy reported. Well, i have these reactions all the time and i have my epipen with me and i gave my epipen to myself and i was fine, so people are asked to wait. 15 minutes to you must report any allergies. You have foods shellfish pot, pollen perhaps to help that’s relevant, but just tell the webs giving you a shot and then under. If you have no allergies, anything you ‘ Ll, probably be asked to wait. Fifth, you will be estimated 15 minutes after the vaccination just to make sure everything’s copacetic and you’re good. If yeah, that’s, why we vaccinated about about 40 people in my office, one day kind of hurting them through like cattle and nobody had any problems. We did have an epipen there, and so you know just you just need to make sure that your physician is prepared or something happens. But once again you know, dr, i think what we’re hearing the media is, is we’re hearing, this fear tactic and they talk about that one exception and they exaggerate what happens and then they begin to create this. I mean just this fear in the media, and i just wanted to spell that, and i think that’s. What you’re trying to tell folks, is that you know if we’ve had one person that’s, that’s, had a death or had a you know, severe anaphylactic reaction or whatever from the vaccine, That’s very safe when you consider that over 18 million people yeah, i think the incidence now is 0. 0005 wow allergic reactions of anaphylactic reactions and don’t forget this is being administered all over europe yep and they’Re they’re ahead of us by a couple weeks: uh, and there are people who’ve, gotten second doses in europe. Now i think somebody calculated than 250 000 second doses administered in europe to date. Uh. So you know the numbers are still very small, but you’re right. One of the challenges with this whole pandemic is that we ‘ Ve never managed a global medical emergency in an era where we’ve had instantaneous communication from anybody with a camera and a microphone or even a little computer can become an instant expert hey for the last about living that life’s. About living audience you can find dr sal, i mean he’s, very passionate about men’s, health and he’s very involved. He’s in the board of men’s, health network, and you can find more information at men’s. Health network dot org there’s, a lot of resources there for men and they kind of their goal. Dr sao is to uh just give men resources and make them aware of men’s diseases. You want to comment on that. Real quick before we close, not just make men aware but make the the women who love them a niece, a mom, a significant other uh, a friend a co-worker, help them understand how to bring men to health care too. That’s very important. So you have a lot of educational information, a lot of medical conditions that affect guys and even some information on how women can help bring the guys they love to better health care. That’s, good! That’s at men’s, http://www.menshealthnetwork.org network dot, org, and thank you, dr sal, for being on the show this is you? Can we’ve had several interviews with dr sal, and you can find these on our show. Life’s about living show.com or you can text lal 66866. Dr sal was great to have you on the show. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. Awesome

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What’s Direct Primary Care? A Doctor explains the difference between concierge medicine, DPC, and a NEW WAY to Think about Your Health

Video Details: Now we ‘ ve talked about concierge medicine and direct primary care. Tell me about about businesses in particular. Say if you’re, a small business owner, how does direct primary care help you? What do you offer people that’s such a win-win situation? Why are people so excited about this? Dr. Smith: So employers have to do something in the benefit realm, which comes with a lot of legal structure, so it has to be done correctly. It’s hard, but it has to be followed. Now if employers are looking at health insurance, they need to understand what they’re buying insurance for: catastrophic things. It doesn’t apply to day-to-day. So it’s, not preventative. It’s, not putting gas in the car. Changing wiper, blades brake pads. Getting the alignment done. No, it’s for my tailgate just got ripped off my truck and that cost six thousand dollars to repair. I’m glad. I have insurance for that, but insurance companies are trying to grow into that day-to-day thing and micromanage. Even the filling up of the tank right going to your primary care doctor should not be on the list of things that insurances pay for, but the perception is, and these companies offer these full solution packages, but they’re loaded with fat. They’re too expensive and they’re, crushing companies next to payroll and primary care. Doctors i mean i don’t think people if you tried to find a primary care doctor these days. I mean you need to realize it’s really hard to find a doctor. Now you can find a doctor with five or six nurse practitioners, but to have that classic relationship with your doctor is something that’s, pretty much almost gone with the win, and that’s. What jeremy’s, trying to bring back for sure and in insurance, is not where you find that right, so employers have been kind of buying this. What they think is this full solution, but it’s. Not it’s too expensive. It’s, causing businesses to go out uh, just because of the cost of paying for insurance. They can’t compete, so direct primary care is a solution for patients and doctors. The question can businesses purchase this for you, so businesses can buy anything they want for their employees, but they can’t write it off as a business expense unless the irs says that’s, a legitimate business expense. When I started out, I’d, have business to say this is great Jeremy. Can you do this? For my five employees, I’m like yeah. This is how much it cost. I’ll, give you a discount. Then they call and say, “My accountant says I can’t write this off because it’s, not part of a qualified expense under obamacare.” So fast forward. In order for a business to pay for this, which it’s, welcome to do anytime right, but write it off as a business expense. It has to sit inside of a n entity . It can be a major medical plan which we can design right. That thing can be a minimal, essential coverage plan, a skinny plan that just barely qualifies for insurance or it can sit inside a health reimbursement account. So you found the loophole in order to do this, I found the the legal structures that you can put in. Okay, the legal structure, if you want to write it off, so the tax breaks for me expensing my hra, my direct primary care doctor all this. For my employees, inside of an hra, it costs less to put it in the hra legally. Compared to what now I can write off right and more than pays for itself right. So, yes, employers can do this. In a reimbursement – or we can put it in any health plan – that’s out there wow, so let’s. Dr. Page: So this is a win-win situation. Businesses save money. They have more control over the the kind of care that their that their that their employees are getting and uh the employees are happy because they have a one-on-one relationship with a primary care doctor who is actually proactive instead of reactive. So how is this going? Well, it’s out of the box. It’s been a labor of love. It’s, been fun, it’s taking off and it’s going to change health care. Some of that is taxing me. I’m getting great, because I have a practice to run and right. I’ve, got a team working on this that right, so it’s hard and you know if it wasn’t hard. Everyone would have already figured this out right. I am not special right without a reward there’s, no risk there’s, no reward without a risk, so Jeremy, what motivated you? I had to do things to people to get paid right, that’s, counterintuitive to what i went to medical school for right. So when the the breaking point was when i was working as hard as i could doing the best, i could I made less and less money right and I plotted it here’s, my cost and here’s, the the plot. It’s, going like this right here’s, my income and in the plots coming like this, and i looked at it in seven years, and these lines were gonna intersect, and this is a hobby. We’ve, always joked that you know we. It’s really true. The system is broken and the physicians are the ones that are suffering, but it’s, not just the physicians. It’s the patients that are suffering it’s, the businesses that are suffering. So what – and so this is a triple wind kind of scenario that you’re setting up right. It is viable, it works. Unfortunately, the money’s got to come from somewhere, and it was the folks in the equation that didn ‘t need to be there.–the fat in the swamp. Maybe finding out more about this. How can people contact you, Jeremy? drsmith@mymdselect.com. They take ownership. The doctors are happy because they’re able to spend more time with people. I don’t think you realize the stress that most physicians are under. I mean most of we go into medicine because we like patients, we like to talk to people, patients get to know patients, but the way the system is now i mean i mean it’s, sucking the joy out of practicing medicine.

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Here David’s Quest for a Steamboat in the Missouri River

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On this episode we talk with David Hawley of the Arabia Steamboat Museum in Kansas City. He tells his story about how he got interested in searching for steamboats in the cornfields of Missouri and Kansas.

I’m Dr. Page, the best guy to see on the worst day of your life. I have with me David Hawley. David is almost like an Indiana Jones. David is a treasure hunter in a sense, and he’s going to tell us about an unusual find in a corn field in Kansas. How are you today? David: I’m doing well, sir. Thank you very much for inviting me on your show. Dr. Chuck: I’m glad you’re here on life’s about living. Typically, when we think of finding a boat, we think about the sea. David tell me about how you found a boat in the middle of a Kansas cornfield. David: Well, there was a back in the day, long ago, in the late summer of 1856, a steamboat called the Arabia. Loaded with 2. 22 tons of freight heading for the frontier with about 150 passengers. It left late August. Where was the frontier at that point 1856? Well in our world today, the frontier would have been just pretty near anywhere, but in their day they considered anything west of really Kansas city. Missouri was a state became a state in 1821, Kansas and Nebraska were territories. All of that up through there was pretty much wilderness. A lot of the first run of the trip by steamboat. They’d, get to Kansas City, maybe Omaha, and then from there points west. Steamboats not only transported passengers, but they carried lots of freight. If you were to compare them in our world today, they would be kind of like a fedex truck. Okay, you would go hear everything on them. You would you traveled to St Louis you’d. Go to the warehouses. You’d, pick out the things you wanted for your stores, you’d, put them on a wagon, take them down to the boat dock, put them on a steamboat, and a couple weeks later, they’d, show up in Omaha Sioux city, kansas city, wherever. Well, there were railroads, but there weren’t railroads to Kansas city. In 1856 there were lots of steamboats on the rivers. They called that the golden age of steamboating. The arabia left and took about five days or so to reach Kansas city. On september, the 5th 1856, it was dinner time. The sun was sinking. They drove that boat right into this tree that had washed into the river,, buried under the water. It began to fill with water and it sank, sank quickly.

So was this a passenger boat? It was it had. So this carried goods it carried people, people were just on vacation just taking a cruise. Well, maybe we don’t know a lot about the passengers. We found some of their belongings and people certainly did steam travel by boat for fun, but most people were people moving west.

They were going somewhere going west, they were, they were picking up and they’re going to the frontier. You know to start a new life out here and they they have everything they own. You know on this boat right in their their most prized possessions because they don’t travel like you and me.

They don’t move like you and i when, when we move today, we up a loading van full of stuff and away you go, but back then they carried their most precious. Things put them on the boat and i think it’s interesting so so anyway, so the boat sank and nobody died on the boat.

Apparently, is that correct? The missouri river wall is a very fast and dangerous river. It’s, not a deep river right. It’s 12 to 15 feet. Deep and steamboats are much taller than that right. The tree and sank, the upper part of the boat remained out of water for a while.

So everybody just ran from the top and with a row boat a little at a time. One load at a time took them to shore. They all got there carried what they could now for the people who had their luggage in the lower part down in the freight area downstairs right.

They couldn’t, get to that. Couldn’t, get them with water and mud lickety-split. No saving it so so david. How did you get into all this? I mean you, how did you become an excavator and and find this and hear about the boat? I mean, how was it discovered? Well, what seems like at least two lifetimes ago, [ Laughter ].

My dad my mom and myself and my brother were the heating and air conditioning business. We designed the air conditioner systems for homes and shops and repaired them, and i was out at a guy’s house working on his air conditioner.

This was about 1985. wow and and got it fixed, went inside to talk to the guy and he had the most unusual room on the far side of the room that i went into. You could see maps and pictures of old steamboats and on the left-hand side he had pictures of flying saucers where they landed and on the other side of the wall there was a full-size cut out of a bigfoot.

You know susquatch or whatever those things were real too, and he liked to talk about all that stuff and he did, but he got finally around to talking about steamboats, and that was really what interested me.

I didn’t care much about the other. Two, the sasquatch yeah i didn’t care about that, but i checked out steamboat books and i called my dad and my brother and and said: let’s join join me for lunch. I got to tell you about this guy that i met, so we went to a little hamburger.

Restaurant sat down there and the owner of the place. We knew him came out and sat down too. By the time lunch was over, they were saying dave. You go find a steamboat. We’ll help. You dig it that’s. What how this so they just just all you just that that started your passion, your pursuit of this, and i guess the rest is history david, that’s, how they say it didn’t it well.

How did you find this particular of the arabia? I mean what well what what were the events there in the search of steamboats you go to old newspapers, and you read all newspapers and um. I was looking for a boat.

It sank not here very far from kansas city, and so i got into a newspaper of 1856 and came across an article that talked about the steamboat arabia. A-R-A-B-I spelled just like the countries, so so you had to go back into libraries and find these old papers and look on microfinish and all that stuff back in the day back in the year, reels of microfilm look through all that stuff page after page after page After page yeah and here’s, this little video article, it wasn’t very long.

It said large and valuable cargo hits a tree, it sinks, no loss of life and cargo totally lost wow about all. It said it said also that it sank a mile from a town called parkville parkville. I know where that’s at it’s, not very far from kansas city, so i got some old maps of the river from back.

In those days and i drew the old map onto a new map – oh my river used to be because, oddly enough, strangely enough, the rivers change course now that’s, something that i don’t realize the missouri river was a very Fast river, the sides of the river are fairly soft, a lot of sand right and the river changes quick and easily.

So the river would move, and in this case it moved a half a mile from the time the boat sank until present day. Wow got the map came down a mile from parkville knew where the old river used to be, and then i took a metal detector out with the farmer’s permission and i walked up and down cornrows back and forth, and back and forth.

Looking for iron looking for something that would would look kind of like a steamboat under how long did it take you to find it just one day you’re kidding, so you know we pretty much pinpointed it pretty quickly.

That was real close now. If i to start on the far side of the field and walk the other way might have taken two or three days right, because i just happened to start here and went that direction to the left.

You know whatever. Then it was within the first day. So what did the farmer with the cornfield say? Did you think you were crazy? Like hey, i want to dig up a field and find a steamboat. Oh now, some farmers i’ve, talked because i’ve.

Looked i’ve, looked for a lot of boats and some farmers do think you’re a little nuts, but right. This fella was named norman. Okay, norman’s. Great great grandpa had owned the farm back in those days and they knew this boat came up the river and sank and, as the river shifted his course part of the folklore of his family was the boat was buried somewhere under that under that farm.

That had one spin river that now belonged to them wow, so he was. He was curious about it himself. He’d, been curious. Long before i ever showed up. He’d, curious about it as a kid he’d heard about it.

The rumor was the boat was carrying 400 barrels of finest kentucky, bourbon money could buy and he thought that would still be there. So he said dave. If you can find it, i’ll, let you dig it so that’s.

When i went looking for it and i found it wow, it was in a cornfield. So how long did it take you to excavate it from the time we started until the last artifact came out was four months wow. We did it all in the winter now it here in kansas city today, as i’m speaking to you, it’s about eight degrees above zero.

It’s, cold right very cold. Now, why’d? You get in the winter time. Well, because the artifacts coming out of the ground need to stay cold. The heat of the summer would damage a lot of things and the ground that we’re thinking is not stable and we’re.

Going to go down 45 feet to get to this boat, and so the walls have got to be frozen in place, so they don’t cave in on [, Music, ] and don’t flood. The river don’t flood in the wintertime, and there’s, no bugs in the wintertime and the farmer.

Don’t need his crops, his farm in the wintertime. So that is so interesting. You know it’s. You know it’s such an interesting way of life. There’s, so many things that we have have just forgotten in our modern culture, man.

You know i just want to encourage our visitors to go check out uh. This arabia exhibit there in downtown kansas city in downtown kansas city, missouri and uh man. It sounds like it’s, a great attraction, and i think people will really be interested.

You can also find david’s. Uh more information about the arabia exhibit at 1856.com. I have with me david hawley, here on life’s about living. Once again, just remind you that you can subscribe to this by texting lal to 66866, and that will get you into our all of our videos and podcasts and everything on life’s about living david.

It’s, been a real honor to have you. On this session. We’re, going to have some more sessions with david. We’re, going to ask him some more questions about this very interesting exhibit and the the old riverboat arabia, thanks for being on the show david.

Thank you very much for the invite you

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Tips on Eating Healthy. Interview with Alan Winters CEO of Vigaroom

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How to eat healthy and begin a healthy lifestyle. Alan Winters with Vigaroom gives us some tips:

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I’m Dr Page one of your hosts on Life’s about Living. We’re going to talk today with Alan winters. He’s the CEO and founder of vigoroom. It’s, an online health resource, and we’ve, been talking with him in the last episode about health, diet and all of these things–simple steps that we can make to learn about making good choices as this new year comes upon us. You can find the rest of these interviews on lifesaboutlivingshow.com

We’re, going to move right into it with Alan Winters. The founder of vigaroom. Alan, give us some tips on eating healthy.

Alan: We are laser focused on folks who don ‘ t presently take care of their health. That’s the audience we’re interested in, which is almost everybody. Folks who don’t, take good care of their health. How do we develop those habits and how do we change mindsets to get people to feel good about making these changes?

Healthy eating for beginners:

Dr. Chuck: We, doctors are the worst. You know it seems I’m, so guilty of saying Do, as I say, not as I do. I feel like for the past 25 years, I’ve sacrificed my health for everybody else’s, I had this moment during COVID, where I realized, What am i doing? I really need to start thinking about longevity and thinking about some of the just some some of the decisions that I’m making. So much of it has to do with lifestyle, and I really feel like that it’s the key for our for our nation as a whole, for the health of our nation, and for individuals–to start thinking differently.

You know it’s lifestyle, just everything that we do. I think of young families. They have kids and they go to work. Then they have to take kids to baseball games and then, of course, after baseball, you know it’s 8. 30 at night. You don’t, have time to cook and you haven ‘ t really planned a meal. We’re busy. And then we end up, by default, doing things that are very unhealthy. We go to the fast food restaurant and get some burgers for the kids after playing baseball.

Alan: You know, there are little things we could do to make simple lifestyle changes. It takes a little time to stop, really think, and assess. You know our habits and our lifestyle. You know, I agree in fact, even on on the point you just made.

Eating healthy 2021:

We have a program in our system that is a meal planning program from a financial planner out of Cincinnati. The whole point of this program, and I think it’s 10 days if I recall, is you have limited time and you have a tight budget. So how do you eat well? This whole program is basically teaching you how to do that part of it is making the freezer your breast, your best friend, and knowing how to use A freezer strategically it’s kind of fun.

When the next pandemic hits, and Chuck, it probably is not 104 years from now. It probably is quite a bit, sooner than we think.

Why not change your lifestyle now so that when the next one hits your likelihood of really disastrous circumstances, goes down. Your chances of staying safe or not getting really sick and not dying improves with good health.

Really, though, you know your chances of doing. Okay, go up a lot and it’s, so much of it’s in your control, so that’s. The buddy that isn’t that the good news Chuck so much of this is in each individual’s control. I do want to say this. If you failed the diets before, if you tried exercising, and it didn’t work for you, guess what? It’s okay. It’s totally okay. It doesn’t destine you to horrible nutrition and never exercising for the rest of your life. It doesn’t.

Simple Lifestyle changes:

Dr. Chuck: You know, I think that’s. So true, I think that’s such a great thing for our viewers. Just remember that sometimes in life we fall forward. You know it’s, not about perfection. It’s about direction and wow.

You know it’s, just so good. There’s, just such simple things that we can do to make our lives better, and i think we all have had some times of introspection, and i want to encourage our audience. You know check out vika room and to check out what alan is doing and just remember those simple things.

You know the journey. of a thousand miles begins with the first step. So diet and exercise. It’s, so basic. But we tend to always think about things that are more sophisticated. I think that was one of the real take-home message of messages of having you on Life’s about Living. It’s not that hard, Alan.

Alan: It’s not that hard Chuck, it isn’t and just for for your audience.

If this sounds interesting, you can go to your employer and say hey check out this business. It’s Vigaroom or vigaroom.com,. Vigor. Vitality. Energy.

I appreciate so much. You’re, giving me the opportunity to spend some time with you. I totally enjoyed it absolutely.

Dr. Chuck: Thank you so much Alan and I hope, Alan is going to be on the beach here in a little while. I’m really jealous every time I talk to Allen. He’s always out on the beach it’s, just not fair.

Allen: Anyway, living in Mexico on the beach, my breaks, my healthy lifestyle is taking a break and walking the beach. You know if you’re gonna work a 10-12 hour day.

You should take a break absolutely, but there’s, always a way. You know there’s wherever you live. Even if you live in downtown Chicago there’s some beautiful places that you can walk and I’ve walked the lake there. It’s, really nice.

Dr. Chuck:

Well, it’s great to have you on the show and uh, thanks for being on life’s about living and giving your hones opinion on how to start eating healthy and making simple lifestyle changes.

Alan: My pleasure have a have a wonderful rest of the day.

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